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well thanks everybody for coming along

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I'm the guy with the funny accent I hope

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you having a good time and before I get

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to the thrust of the lecture itself I

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thought I'd just sort of say a few

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things about Scott's lecture in relation

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to sort of the weirdest ID of Bigfoots

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and I think like a lot of people who get

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interested in the Bigfoot phenomenon

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they like me you begin to think well you

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know the really asked large ape-like

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animals running around the United States

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Russia China and a number of other

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nations where you get reports of

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Bigfoots

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but over time I found that Bigfoot isn't

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just strange Bigfoot is sort of really

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strange and when for example Scott was

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talking about sort of that the

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telepathic angle of this and the orbs

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that's something you find in a lot of

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places around the United States and

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elsewhere as well

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so whatever Bigfoot actually is I do

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believe these creatures exist but I

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don't believe they're just sort of a

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North American equivalent of an African

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gorilla I think it's far stranger than

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that

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particularly when you look in look into

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the stories where you have reports of

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for example Bigfoot quite literally

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vanishing in a flash of light in front

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of people's eyes which of course no

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regular normal animal has the ability to

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do that and I think the other sort of

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most glaring aspect is the fact that

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we've never caught one we've never got

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the body of a creature now if you think

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about it the reports as Scott said there

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are reports of Bigfoots all across the

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United States in every state and these

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creatures sort of range from 7 to 8 feet

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tall

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and we're still not able to catch them

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now if Bigfoot the creatures themselves

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were just sort of the size of I dunno a

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squirrel or Fox I could understand how

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we would never actually sort of catch

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one of these things but in saying that I

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think when we're talking about something

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a giant creature then we really should

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have at least one body by now and and

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again I think that sort of demonstrates

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that Bigfoot isn't just elusive but it's

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sort of really elusive now how we

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explain this I don't know certainly on

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the the fringe side of Bigfoot research

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there's a belief system that these

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creatures are sort of multi-dimensional

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if you like that we only see them when

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perhaps they're in our reality now

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things like quantum physics for example

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are allowing for the existence of

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multiple dimensions within our reality

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and outside of it

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so although that's I would say even I

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have to admit that's a very sort of

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extreme aspect but I find it very very

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difficult to try and explain the

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phenomenon away in any other sort of

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fashion that we could do it and by that

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I mean as I said we should have found

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one of these things by now we should

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have either found a dead one someone

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killed one so want one cross the road

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and got hit by a car but it never ever

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happens and no other animal operates or

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exists like that now most people don't

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ever see you know a mountain lion or a

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grizzly bear in the woods but people do

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and sometimes grizzly bears and mountain

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lions do get hit by cars or trucks why

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is it that Bigfoot's eludes all of these

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scenarios concerning how they might die

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Bigfoot eludes these scenarios 100

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percent of the time and I just don't see

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how a normal animal even if it's a rare

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one I don't see how a rare animal could

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actually exist like that and never ever

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be found so there's a big issue to be

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dealt with and if we do find the truth

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about these Bigfoot creatures whatever

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they might be I think you can have a lot

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of a greater bearing on what

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cryptozoology actually is now

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cryptozoology is the study of unknown

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animals sort of chupacabra Bigfoot's

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Loch Ness monster the Yeti and so on but

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if it's shown that the Bigfoot creatures

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are some sort of supernatural type

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creature rather than just a North

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American ape then I think it's gonna

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have a lot of impact upon cryptozoology

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itself in the sense that are we dealing

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with flesh-and-blood animals should

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cryptozoology embrace the supernatural

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and the paranormal now a lot of longtime

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cryptozoology would say well all these

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creatures all these animals all these

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unknown monsters are just flesh and

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blood things that we haven't found I

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think that for me at least is really at

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the far end of the of the equation I

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think we deal with something much

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stranger and as I said I think for

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cryptozoology and so-called monster

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hunters I think if we do get the answers

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it's gonna challenge science and and not

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zoo and not just zoology and we may

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learn a great deal more if we do find a

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Bigfoot one day whether alive or dead if

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these things can sort of jump multiple

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dimensions and things like that so let's

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just sort of melt my thoughts and ideas

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and a few concepts on what Bigfoot might

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be and the reason I mention that is

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because there's also sort of a tie-in

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with UFOs

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which I'm going to talk about today and

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I think again when you have reports of

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strange lights in the sky light beaming

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down front to the ground and in the same

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area and the same timeframe that people

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see the Bigfoot creatures I think we're

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seeing some sort of connection with UFOs

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as well now I don't kind of go down the

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path that you know Bigfoot literally

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flies a flying saucer you know that

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would be just way too bizarre I don't

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think it's that simple but when you have

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these strange lights in the sky that's

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got talked about these balls of light

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these energy balls however you want to

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term them they are they're a rare aspect

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of Bigfoot research but there are enough

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reports to demonstrate that there is

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this aspect to it and again we don't

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know what the phenomenon actually is now

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people like John keel for example who

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people thought all of these different

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phenomena Bigfoot UFOs ghosts etc we're

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all separate phenomena but he came to

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believe over time that they were all

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kind of interconnected and I think that

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is the case when you get Bigfoot you get

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UFOs you have strange lights all in that

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same area I think we have to sort of

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creatures and many of these other

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creatures as well all being part and

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parcel of one phenomenon so that's my

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little bit of on Bigfoot and I think

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then it's going to change and challenge

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just about every aspect of science and

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zoology now that brings us to today's

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lecture from area 51 to Russia what I'm

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going to do for you today sort of give

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you a background on area 51 the base

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itself the history of it how it be

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white began and also of course the the

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UFO issue which is the one that most

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people associate with area 51 and of

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course the big questions are to what

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extent is area 51 sort of a holding

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place for alien technology possibly even

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live and dead aliens at area 51 these

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are some of the more controversial

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statements and claims that have been

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made and so what I've tried to do over

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the years I've dug quite deeply into the

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whole story of area 51 and tried to

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determine the the truth from the lies to

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the exaggerations and the disinformation

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which is put out also to try and confuse

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what we know about it or what we don't

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know about it but just before I get to

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that just sort of give you some idea as

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to why and how I got interested in sort

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of the more of the conspiratorial side

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of UFO research because my it actually

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goes back to the 1950s and my father I

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should stress I'm one of these people

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who's actually never seen a UFO or had

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an alien encounter I'm someone who's had

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an experience by being told of an

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encounter and I think people do tend to

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fall into two categories when they have

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or they develop an interest in UFOs you

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either see something or you know someone

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who you trust saw something amazing and

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that gets you involved and certainly for

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me was the second category my dad was a

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radar mechanic in the British Royal Air

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Force which is the equivalents of the US

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Air Force over here and he was involved

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in three UFO incidents at the height of

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a NATO exercise in September 1952 and

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that operation was called exercise

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and it involved military personnel from

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the US from the UK

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from Norway France and it was really

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sort of a stand up to the Russians to

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say you know if you think you can take

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us on well try and so operation

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excuse me exercise Mainbrace was created

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as a like a show of force to the

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Russians but it was also put together to

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to show how all the the Western Allies

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could get together in the events of a

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third world war which thankfully hasn't

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happened yet but my father was involved

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in three late-night encounters where

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radar operators at the military base he

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was working at on the east coast of

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England he was on he was on duty and

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this was sort of to 3 a.m. and the radar

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operators were tracking these

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high-flying fast-moving objects in the

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sky and the first thought was well it's

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got to be the Russians this was as I

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said this was 1952 the Cold War was

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really taking off and so fighter planes

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were scrambled from a nearby air force

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base and as the pilots got closer they

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were able to see not like bombers or

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fighter planes but these large balls of

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light and some of the other pilots

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reported seeing sort of classic and

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classic silvery flying saucers and the

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quite naturally the pilots were ordered

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to intercept them well that didn't work

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what actually happened was that these

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objects shot away at an incredible speed

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and eventually the pilots had to return

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to their bases because they were running

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low on fuel because these objects were

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playing almost like a game of

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cat-and-mouse with the pilots now this

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went on for three nights and at the end

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of the third night everybody was taken

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into a room and told you won't talk

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about this and everybody was reminded

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that they'd signed what was called the

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Official Secrets Act and in the UK the

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Official Secrets Act it's it's a sort of

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piece of legislation where if you learn

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top secret material in the course of

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your work with the military or the

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intelligence community you won't talk

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about it after you've written after

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you've retired now my my dad didn't

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actually say anything about this till I

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was about probably 12 or 13 something

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like that and that really got me

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interested and I started reading books

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on the subject and you know watching

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movies that kind of thing but I did sort

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of move more towards like the conspiracy

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stuff like area 51 probably because of

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my own father's experience and how his

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team was told not to talk about this and

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I always think that if government's

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don't want us to talk about something or

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they don't want us to know about it it

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usually is something we should know

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about he knows so you know I think

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that's an important angle to make now of

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course when it comes to UFOs there are

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numerous aspects to the subject you know

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you've got alien abductions contact

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cases crop circles lights in the sky

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crashed UFOs dead aliens held at

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military bases and so on but there's no

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doubt that area 51 and the story of it

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really stands out in the sense that's in

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a way that other aspects of the subject

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really don't and by that I mean if you

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mention a specific UFO case to the

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average person they'll just say huh

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don't know what that means but you

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mention area 51 just about everybody on

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the planet as heard as hazard of area 51

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and in a strange way area 51 is the most

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secret military facility on the planet

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but everybody's heard of it which is

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and the primary main reason as to why

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area 51 has become so notorious is

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because of that incredible

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secrecy that surrounds it it's just one

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of these situations where you do not

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find that in any other any other

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situation if you look at just about

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every other military facility in the

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United States of course they're all

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heavily guarded but none of the guarding

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situation comes anywhere near what goes

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on at area 51 and and I'll give you some

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background as we go along as to how and

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why it's proved to be impossible to sort

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of access area 51 unless you actually

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work there and of course when you've got

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this angle of so much secrecy and

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security the big question is well why

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does that secrecy and security even

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exist in the first place why is it that

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the base itself is not just guarded in

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the exact same way but just about all

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the other military bases are and so it

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sort of begs the question or what's

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going on there and that sort of brings

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us to the issue of what has made area 51

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so famous or infamous and that's the UFO

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connection now although the the work to

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to begin the the creation of area 51

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didn't begin until the 1950s the the

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idea of actually building sort of a

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large series of facilities out in Nevada

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far away from just about anyone and

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everyone actually goes back to 1941 yeah

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a lot of people don't realize that the

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the origins are the plans to create

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something like an area 51 actually goes

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back to Pearl Harbor the attack of Pearl

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Harbor in December 1941 and that's an

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actual photograph of the of the attack

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on Pearl Harbor now prior to 9/11

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Pearl Harbor was the worst attack on the

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United States literally thousands of

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people were killed in this sort of

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terrible attack from Japanese forces and

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the reason why the attack happened and

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the reason why so many people were

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killed was because the the Japanese

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fleet and the Japanese aircraft were

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actually able to sort of fly really low

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across the Pacific and create a surprise

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attack that's that was the problem that

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the the surprise angle of it all is what

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led to sort of the disastrous and

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terrible killings that were that

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occurred and after Pearl Harbor the

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government basically said we can never

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allow something like that to happen

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again we can never have some one sort of

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surprise us in such a like a terrible

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way and so plans were put together to

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create specifically strategic military

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bases further inside the country in

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other words we would if we had these

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facilities created in like Nevada New

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Mexico and so on if somebody outside of

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the country tried to attack we would

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have plenty of time to track them coming

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inward into the country so that was the

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idea was to sort of build some of the

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most strategic bases far as possible

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inside the country and also they needed

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to be areas where nobody really would be

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able to access them and nobody really

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know what was going on there so by 1943

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1944 out at where area 51 is now they're

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actually a number of facilities created

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about Gunnar ease and artillery ranges

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things like that but it was never at

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that time sort of all conciliated into

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one particular base that actually didn't

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happen until the early 1950s when they

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really the government's really decided

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to

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get down and say well why don't we put

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all of these different facilities these

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bases together and that's basically what

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happened now area 51 that's an area

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excuse me an aerial photograph of area

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51 taken by a spy satellite and there

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aren't that many images of area 51

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there's enough for us to make a good

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image of what the place looks like but

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as you can see there there's a number of

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facilities runways and things like that

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and for the most part that is pretty

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much all we can see at area 51 now it's

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called area 51 because it's actually

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just one of many areas on what's called

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the Nevada Test and Training Range and

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the the training range itself is

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gigantic it's even bigger than area 51

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area 51 is just a small portion and the

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plan was to have this isolated

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well-guarded military installation which

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could be essentially the hub of all the

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high-tech research that the government

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wants you to do and which it wanted to

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keep the Russians away from and so in

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that sense by around about nineteen

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fifty fifty-one the concepts and the

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idea of creating something like area 51

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really started to begin now excuse me

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when we get to the the whole angle of

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area 51 and what might be going on there

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you'll sort of realize that there's a

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it's very much like mirrors within

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mirrors one person thinks this one past

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person says that so it's very kind of

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difficult to figure out where the truth

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begins and the disinformation begins but

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just before I get to that purely

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coincidentally I'm sure many of you

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might know that just recently this

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petition

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was put together to sort of basically

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storm area 51 and see what actually goes

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out there on out there

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if any of you heard of that particular

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petition that's yeah that's good

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the the petition I mean it's a very

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controversial situation and I actually

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don't endorse it at all the main reason

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being if you think about it I think a

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lot of people who sign this petition and

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who've said you know just a couple of

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months from now that they're gonna go

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out with thousands of other people and

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storm area 51 and try and find the

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aliens and so on the way I look it is

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like this that if you are going to do

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something along those lines

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you should realize that you're actually

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breaking into a US military base now I'm

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sure most of us live within say you know

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I know 30 40 miles of a military

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installation now if you think about it

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if you got up tomorrow morning and you

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saw on the news but 200 people had tried

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to storm your local military base most

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people would be appalled by that you

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know be perceived as a major national

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security issue if several hundred people

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had climbed the fence at your local base

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causing havoc but I think with the area

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51 angle I think a lot of people are

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viewing this as just as an adventure

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this is going to be cool we're gonna

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break into area 51 but of course you

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have the possibility some of those

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people may not be UFO researchers you

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know that they could be North Korea you

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know they could be Russians we don't

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know you infiltrate in that group and of

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course you know anyone who sort of tries

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to jump the base at a military facility

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you're asking for trouble

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and and if people do you know they if

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they go on this but you know sign this

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Panisse petition and they go on that

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expedition out there they're asking for

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you know the biggest trouble possible so

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person

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there's different views and different

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ideas but personally I don't endorse

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this at all I think it's dangerous to

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you know literally have thousands of

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people breaking into you a US military

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base and I think it's wrong to condone

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the idea of breaking into a military

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base as well so you know you have

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different people have different views I

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think we can do good enough research to

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find out what's going on out at the base

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and what has been going on there without

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actually causing chaos and literally

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invading a military installation which

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as I said no one should really be doing

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at all so that's sort of my little piece

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on the on this petition and the plans

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now it'll be interesting to see what

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actually happens if anything happens my

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personal view is I think a lot of people

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may go out there and just hang out and

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then go home I really don't think you're

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gonna find American citizens in their

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thousands trying to break in to a

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well-guarded military installation I

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mean under any other circumstances you

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know people would be arrested already

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probably you know by actually saying

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we're planning to to do this I mean it's

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kind of like if you imagine somebody

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says we're gonna sign a petition to jump

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the fence and invade the Pentagon well

509
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those people were probably already by

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now you know being custody or at least

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being questioned and I think people

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aren't necessarily realizing the gravity

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of what they're letting themselves into

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so either it's gonna be something

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memorable but for all the wrong reasons

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or you know the whole thing's gonna be

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shut down before it can begin or maybe

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people you know will just sort of kind

519
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of walk away from it feeling well maybe

520
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,750
I shouldn't do it after all so but it's

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not that far away now so you know we're

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gonna find out

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what actually will happen now one of the

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the primary reasons why it's so

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00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:20,180
difficult to access area 51 is because

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you've got that kind of view there isn't

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really much to say other than mountains

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and climbing those mountains you know is

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very difficult for a lot of people bear

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in mind you know the temperatures out in

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Nevada as well and in that photograph

532
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you can probably see a few small

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buildings and structures and that really

534
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is all that you can actually see for the

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most part now the reason why area 51 was

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sort of built in this particular part of

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Nevada surrounded by mountains was

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really was primarily because of this

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00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:06,510
angle with excuse me with Pearl Harbor

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and wanting to build something in the

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middle of nowhere which could be very

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00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:15,150
difficult to access and on top of that

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00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:17,330
over the years the government has

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secured various more and more land in

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00:28:26,780 --> 00:28:24,720
the area again to keep people away and a

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00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:26,790
lot of that land that's being grabbed by

547
00:28:33,170 --> 00:28:30,570
the governments actually isn't land that

548
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:33,180
has become part of area 51 it's that

549
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:35,700
it's just sort of illegal to actually go

550
00:28:42,020 --> 00:28:38,310
on those parts of the land primarily

551
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,030
because you go too close to it then you

552
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:44,640
can actually see parts of the base but

553
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:47,460
by grabbing that land and making it out

554
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:50,760
of bounds that has ensured it's very

555
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:53,310
difficult to see area 51

556
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:57,600
at all now as far as the the history

557
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:01,140
goes what we know for certain is and

558
00:29:07,670 --> 00:29:03,810
I'll come to this you know dig to a

559
00:29:11,180 --> 00:29:07,680
larger degree later that the primary

560
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:11,190
purpose for building area 51 was to test

561
00:29:16,220 --> 00:29:14,250
fly some of the new early radical

562
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:16,230
aircraft that the government was

563
00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:19,380
planning on creating and flying in the

564
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:19,980
early to me

565
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:22,770
1950s and they didn't want anyone to

566
00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:24,510
know what was going on didn't want

567
00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:27,179
anybody you know taking photographs of

568
00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:30,120
these aircraft so that's why they didn't

569
00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:32,990
go with say for example California or

570
00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:36,419
you know New York to test these aircraft

571
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:39,320
simply because they would easily be seen

572
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:43,049
so the the angle was well let's try and

573
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,090
build it out of the way somewhere that's

574
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:47,520
already out of the way and let's make it

575
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:49,860
even more difficult for people to find

576
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:53,370
out what we're doing there now it's sort

577
00:30:01,880 --> 00:29:57,720
of incredible that's with area 51 we

578
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:01,890
have a situation where although it's

579
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,330
impossible to access it just about and

580
00:30:08,150 --> 00:30:07,679
we don't really know what's going on

581
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,160
there

582
00:30:13,159 --> 00:30:10,620
the fact is it's actually less than 100

583
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:13,169
miles away from Las Vegas people

584
00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:16,140
sometimes get this image that it's

585
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:18,750
really deep into the desert in the

586
00:30:23,060 --> 00:30:21,179
middle of nowhere but actually isn't I

587
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:23,070
mean you put your foot down on the

588
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:26,250
accelerator from Las Vegas you can be

589
00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:29,010
there in just up over an hour so that

590
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:31,950
the distance from civilization so to

591
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:35,250
speak is not very far the big problem

592
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,130
however is that area 51 is extremely

593
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:42,720
well guarded as I said at the beginning

594
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:45,450
of the lecture to the point where

595
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,080
nothing else is like it they have

596
00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:51,840
night-vision equipments helicopters

597
00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:55,280
flying around 24/7 drones flying around

598
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:57,299
24/7

599
00:31:02,240 --> 00:30:59,520
they've got ground detector equipment

600
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:02,250
which for example if a person walks

601
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:04,980
across the desert towards area 51 at

602
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:08,460
night or let's say a fox or an armadillo

603
00:31:14,150 --> 00:31:11,610
walks across the desert the technology

604
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:14,160
actually allows them to determine if

605
00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:17,370
it's a person or if it's a small animal

606
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:23,400
and night vision infrared technology so

607
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:26,730
the chances of actually penetrating area

608
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:31,049
51 are very very small now a lot of

609
00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:33,480
people get confused when they've gone

610
00:31:36,170 --> 00:31:33,900
out

611
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,180
to the base or as close as they can and

612
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:39,000
they say they've been turned away from

613
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:41,940
the base where the guards are that's

614
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:44,820
actually not the case people think get

615
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,570
very mixed up with the the sort of area

616
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:50,640
the small areas where there are guards

617
00:31:56,030 --> 00:31:53,370
people assume that that is the fringes

618
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,040
of area 51 it actually isn't these are

619
00:32:00,740 --> 00:31:58,080
just sort of small buildings which are

620
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:00,750
the first level of what happens if you

621
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:02,310
get trying it out there

622
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:04,650
the first thing that happens you'll see

623
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:06,570
the security guards pull up in their

624
00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:08,850
vehicles and probably stay like about a

625
00:32:12,890 --> 00:32:10,860
hundred yards away and just watch you

626
00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:12,900
and if you try and get a little bit

627
00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:16,590
closer then they can detain you or stop

628
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:18,990
you and they can find you and jail you

629
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:22,110
for being on government property but

630
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:25,910
people assume that those sort of little

631
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:29,010
buildings where the security guards are

632
00:32:34,910 --> 00:32:31,740
that actually is not the perimeter of

633
00:32:38,030 --> 00:32:34,920
area 51 like a lot of people think when

634
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:38,040
you reach the security personnel even if

635
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:40,290
you got past that you still have to go

636
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:43,620
about another 8 or 9 miles across rugged

637
00:32:52,580 --> 00:32:48,470
desert land so that's another reason why

638
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:52,590
it's proven to be so difficult to to get

639
00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:54,570
to the base because it's there

640
00:33:02,600 --> 00:32:59,610
constantly on guard constantly you know

641
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:02,610
patrol in the area on the ground and on

642
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:06,690
the skies as well and so as far as I

643
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:10,500
know no one has ever got beyond the the

644
00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:13,710
first stage of security personnel the

645
00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:16,590
ones who will turn you back or arrest

646
00:33:23,030 --> 00:33:18,750
you or just make your life hell for the

647
00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:23,040
next 72 hours which quite literally they

648
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:26,060
have the ability and the law to do that

649
00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:30,510
now I've titled that one Declassified by

650
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:31,680
mistake

651
00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:36,210
because that's a government map of area

652
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:39,150
51 and the area itself and you can see

653
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:41,340
on the right you've got this huge long

654
00:33:47,539 --> 00:33:44,970
runway various buildings and so on so it

655
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,549
hasn't that that's actual

656
00:33:53,149 --> 00:33:49,919
image there that map that goes back

657
00:33:55,460 --> 00:33:53,159
decades and although the surface area

658
00:33:58,249 --> 00:33:55,470
still pretty much looks like that today

659
00:34:01,249 --> 00:33:58,259
you know you can see how how it began

660
00:34:05,989 --> 00:34:01,259
and how many developed to what we know

661
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:05,999
it to be today but that particular map

662
00:34:10,339 --> 00:34:09,480
is important because as you can see it's

663
00:34:14,839 --> 00:34:10,349
actually titled

664
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:14,849
area 51 and now for the most part the

665
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:16,500
the government has always been very

666
00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:20,760
reticent to refer to it as area 51 even

667
00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:23,190
the name was classified for decades and

668
00:34:28,579 --> 00:34:25,139
actually still is but the fact is

669
00:34:30,319 --> 00:34:28,589
everybody knows about it but that maps

670
00:34:33,289 --> 00:34:30,329
important because it was one of the

671
00:34:35,169 --> 00:34:33,299
first pieces official documentation that

672
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:35,179
came into the public domain that

673
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:40,770
mentioned area 51 by name and as I said

674
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:43,020
you don't actually Declassified under

675
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:44,490
the Freedom of Information Act by

676
00:34:49,940 --> 00:34:47,129
mistake and that does sometimes happen

677
00:34:51,859 --> 00:34:49,950
where people use the Freedom of

678
00:34:54,789 --> 00:34:51,869
Information Act to try and get hold of

679
00:34:57,980 --> 00:34:54,799
documents what it demonstrates is that

680
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:57,990
with area 51 and the Freedom Information

681
00:35:02,000 --> 00:34:58,410
Act

682
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:02,010
sometimes material documentation has

683
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:05,369
surfaced and and has been Declassified

684
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:08,010
by mistake now it doesn't happen that

685
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:10,530
often but it has happened on enough

686
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:12,359
times to where we do have a few

687
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:15,240
documents that mention their base by

688
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:21,420
name now before we get to the UFO angle

689
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:22,650
which of course is the one that

690
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:25,910
everybody wants to hear about and likes

691
00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:29,460
it's worth noting that before the UFO

692
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:32,849
issue started to surface what we had

693
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:35,940
before that was the the testing the

694
00:35:43,630 --> 00:35:38,970
secret testing of classified aircraft

695
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:43,640
and that was an aircraft called the a12

696
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:47,569
and as you can see that sort of

697
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:50,700
futuristic looking thing that aircraft

698
00:35:56,839 --> 00:35:53,400
goes back decades that literally decades

699
00:35:59,160 --> 00:35:56,849
and you can also see the desert there

700
00:36:01,980 --> 00:35:59,170
and the surrounding mountain

701
00:36:04,339 --> 00:36:01,990
now back then they certainly did that

702
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:04,349
have the highly sophisticated

703
00:36:10,890 --> 00:36:07,569
surveillance so it was primarily guards

704
00:36:13,740 --> 00:36:10,900
that were just sort of on rotation 24/7

705
00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:13,750
trying to keep people away but the the

706
00:36:18,750 --> 00:36:16,780
a12 you know he looks like something

707
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:18,760
straight out of a sci-fi movie and

708
00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:21,640
certainly if you'd seen that flying in

709
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:25,660
the 1960s over Nevada and and it was

710
00:36:29,819 --> 00:36:28,210
seen outside of the confines of the

711
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:29,829
mountains you might actually thought

712
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,230
you'd seen some sort of weird alien

713
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:35,200
space rockets so you know we do sort of

714
00:36:42,809 --> 00:36:39,730
need to differentiate and determine you

715
00:36:45,390 --> 00:36:42,819
know what kind of UFOs might be ours or

716
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:45,400
the government's what kind of UFOs might

717
00:36:50,339 --> 00:36:48,010
be something from up there and I think

718
00:36:53,339 --> 00:36:50,349
that's one of the areas that a lot of

719
00:36:57,230 --> 00:36:53,349
people don't necessarily appreciate is

720
00:37:04,230 --> 00:36:57,240
that there could well be our UFOs and

721
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:04,240
something else is UFOs as well now

722
00:37:11,099 --> 00:37:06,430
that's another one all right I should

723
00:37:15,329 --> 00:37:11,109
say to the m21 and the D to anyone now

724
00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:15,339
the m21 again this sort of sleek black

725
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:19,240
aircraft that's the m21 and they're on

726
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,030
top of it you got the D to anyone which

727
00:37:27,930 --> 00:37:25,119
is sort of a smaller aircraft we can

728
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:27,940
detach from the main one and again it

729
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:29,650
sort of demonstrates some of the weird

730
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:35,650
stuff that was going on out there that's

731
00:37:40,410 --> 00:37:38,079
a really weird one that's called the

732
00:37:42,329 --> 00:37:40,420
have blue some people think that's just

733
00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:42,339
like a model or a mock-up it actually

734
00:37:48,059 --> 00:37:44,950
isn't they have blue as far as we know

735
00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:48,069
was never really used to any great

736
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:50,200
degree but it was certainly test flown

737
00:37:55,620 --> 00:37:53,530
and I guess more than any of the the

738
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:55,630
strange aircraft that was tested out at

739
00:38:02,250 --> 00:37:58,210
area 51 to have blue which was its

740
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:02,260
codename was a really really strange and

741
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:04,420
futuristic one it kind of looks like

742
00:38:10,109 --> 00:38:06,609
something you would seen like a Star

743
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:10,119
Wars movie but it was very much like a

744
00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:11,940
stealth type aircraft

745
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:14,280
and it was it had that strange shape to

746
00:38:22,809 --> 00:38:18,210
sort of deflect radar like the stealth

747
00:38:29,380 --> 00:38:25,970
now we come to sort of the the crux of

748
00:38:34,609 --> 00:38:29,390
the story of area 51 and how it became

749
00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:34,619
so famous and infamous and it all

750
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:40,200
revolves around this guy Bob Lazar now

751
00:38:45,529 --> 00:38:42,420
as I'm sure everybody's heard of Bob

752
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,539
Lazar all those people yeah well for

753
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:47,760
people who don't know Bob Lazar is

754
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:52,680
someone who in 1988 he came out of the

755
00:38:59,240 --> 00:38:56,250
shadows so to speak and claimed but he'd

756
00:39:03,799 --> 00:38:59,250
been working out of a subsidiary at area

757
00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:03,809
51 called s4 and he said that out at s4

758
00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:05,990
there were a number of recovered or

759
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:08,430
donated have you want to term it UFOs

760
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,510
alien spacecraft out at s4 and that the

761
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:14,720
government had a small team that was

762
00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:17,880
investigating the technology and trying

763
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:21,150
to duplicate the technology and it

764
00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:24,569
really opened the doors to the world of

765
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:28,109
area 51 and I think regardless of what

766
00:39:34,279 --> 00:39:31,529
you think of Lazar and his story the

767
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:34,289
fact is that had Lazar not come onto the

768
00:39:40,339 --> 00:39:36,930
scene we probably would not have heard

769
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,349
of area 51 to any great degree for

770
00:39:46,819 --> 00:39:43,200
example if you look into even the

771
00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:46,829
military aircraft magazines of that era

772
00:39:53,089 --> 00:39:49,470
in the eighties there wasn't too much

773
00:39:54,769 --> 00:39:53,099
said about area 51 certainly nobody in

774
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:54,779
the public for the most part had ever

775
00:39:59,180 --> 00:39:56,730
heard of it and the only people who

776
00:40:02,660 --> 00:39:59,190
really bothered about it were the people

777
00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:02,670
who live near in Nevada who live

778
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:04,619
relatively close to the base and knew

779
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:07,710
about it for years but certainly when

780
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:10,380
Bob Lazar came out to tell his story

781
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:13,890
that is when people not just made a

782
00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:17,880
connection between area 51 and UFOs but

783
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:22,790
when the term area 51 became known and

784
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:26,040
in that sense you know it really did

785
00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:29,310
develop front right from there it went

786
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:32,430
from sort of zero to sort of vertical in

787
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:33,720
terms of interest

788
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:38,250
now to understand lazarre's story we

789
00:40:46,220 --> 00:40:43,440
have to sort of go back to 1988 Lazar

790
00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:46,230
himself was still easy should say he's a

791
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:48,600
brilliant scientist very by his own

792
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:50,520
admission sort of a maverick type

793
00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:53,400
character who sort of thinks outside of

794
00:41:00,760 --> 00:40:56,790
the box and things like that and he said

795
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:00,770
that in the latter part of 1988 he was

796
00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:05,130
offered a job out at s4 this subsidiary

797
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:10,430
kind of base at area 51 and at the time

798
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:14,250
the the job offer came forward Lazar

799
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:17,520
said that they were very cagey in the

800
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:19,530
interview you know would you be

801
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:22,020
interested in this program because Lazar

802
00:41:26,780 --> 00:41:23,730
was a physicist so he had a an

803
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:26,790
interesting background and he was very

804
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:29,520
you know adept in the world of science

805
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,420
and he was approached interviewed he

806
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,000
said during the interview not too much

807
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:38,640
was said it was very kind of cagey would

808
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:40,680
you like to work on this program with

809
00:41:47,780 --> 00:41:43,020
advanced technologies you might find

810
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:47,790
something really interesting now looking

811
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:51,720
into lazarre's background we find some

812
00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:53,670
good things and a couple of red flags

813
00:42:01,160 --> 00:41:58,320
for example with lazarre's background we

814
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:01,170
haven't been able to fully confirm all

815
00:42:07,610 --> 00:42:04,740
of his educational backgrounds but he's

816
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:07,620
claimed to have had so that people are

817
00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:09,060
still looking into that and they've been

818
00:42:14,540 --> 00:42:11,660
looking into that for a long long time

819
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:14,550
but we do know that he did work at this

820
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:17,220
particular place which is the Los Alamos

821
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:21,720
laboratory in New Mexico now the Los

822
00:42:27,110 --> 00:42:24,930
Alamos labs their work goes back to the

823
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:27,120
Second World War and the developments of

824
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:30,570
the atomic bomb so in that sense just

825
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:33,930
like area 51 the Los Alamos labs are

826
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:36,660
highly classified and well

827
00:42:44,839 --> 00:42:40,500
and when he was working there in one day

828
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:44,849
one particular day in 1982 Lazar was

829
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,220
mentioned on a front page of one of the

830
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:50,400
local newspapers now this is important

831
00:42:58,210 --> 00:42:54,089
because P everything we know about Lazar

832
00:43:02,809 --> 00:42:58,220
and UFOs surfaced in 1988 and 1989

833
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:02,819
onwards but Lazar himself I was actually

834
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:06,390
in the public domain to a small degree

835
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:09,839
in 1982 when as I said he was mentioned

836
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:12,839
in this front-page article in one of the

837
00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:16,049
local newspapers at the time Lazar was

838
00:43:22,339 --> 00:43:20,190
very much into like rocket cars and

839
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:22,349
things like this and him and his friends

840
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:24,930
would go out into the into the desert

841
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:28,260
and literally sort of light up their

842
00:43:31,339 --> 00:43:30,660
cars and zoom across the desert at 200

843
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:31,349
miles an hour

844
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:33,720
that's how he used to be was a guy who

845
00:43:38,269 --> 00:43:36,119
sort of really enjoyed you know just

846
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:38,279
sort of soaring across the desert floor

847
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:39,900
in these rocket cars which they

848
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:43,079
converted from regular cars now it turns

849
00:43:50,059 --> 00:43:46,170
out that this particular article in the

850
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:50,069
newspaper heavily covered lazarre's

851
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:53,359
background and his interest and in

852
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:56,240
alternative technologies if you like and

853
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:00,359
from there it turns out that this man on

854
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,410
the right as President Reagan there that

855
00:44:10,339 --> 00:44:06,720
man is Edward Teller who was one of the

856
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:10,349
leading scientists within the US

857
00:44:17,809 --> 00:44:12,770
government's and the defense industry

858
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:17,819
from the 1940s right till his death just

859
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:22,130
I think in 2003 or there abouts and

860
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:26,819
Teller actually read the article that

861
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:29,640
mentioned Lazar and the two of them met

862
00:44:35,779 --> 00:44:32,910
when Lazar was giving a lecture and they

863
00:44:39,019 --> 00:44:35,789
had a chat for a while and it was

864
00:44:42,019 --> 00:44:39,029
several years after that that Lazar was

865
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:42,029
approached to work on this program at s4

866
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:45,000
and if you look at the time line it's

867
00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:48,089
almost certainly the case that the the

868
00:44:52,020 --> 00:44:49,390
meeting he had

869
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:52,030
the interview chatty had with Edward

870
00:45:00,840 --> 00:44:56,370
Teller almost certainly probably led to

871
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,850
someone deciding to contact Lazar and

872
00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:03,520
probably trying get him onto the program

873
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:05,800
and I said maybe and probably because we

874
00:45:11,490 --> 00:45:08,290
don't really know the full timeline of

875
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:11,500
what happened but I don't think had

876
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:15,370
Lazar not met Edward Teller I doubt he

877
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:17,530
probably wouldn't have been put forward

878
00:45:24,510 --> 00:45:21,370
for the program now before we sort of

879
00:45:27,690 --> 00:45:24,520
jump too far forward one thing I have to

880
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,700
sort of note is that when Lazar story

881
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:30,400
came out and he talked about how he'd

882
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:33,370
met teller and so on well one of the

883
00:45:37,830 --> 00:45:35,410
local news teams actually tracked down

884
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:37,840
teller and managed to speak to him and

885
00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:39,610
said what do you think about this guy

886
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:43,870
bubblers eyes talking about you and you

887
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:46,570
know in relation to this interview and

888
00:45:55,110 --> 00:45:51,210
so on and what happened was that teller

889
00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:55,120
responded in a really weird way oh no if

890
00:46:00,810 --> 00:45:57,640
say for example someone was talking

891
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:00,820
about any of us in the room and it was

892
00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:03,910
untrue you and you but you were talking

893
00:46:08,610 --> 00:46:06,190
about it on the news on a media and so

894
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:08,620
on you might be inclined to take legal

895
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:11,770
action teller didn't do anything like

896
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:13,810
that what he actually did when he was

897
00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:17,590
approached by the by a TV news team

898
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:20,020
he sort of fumbled and didn't really

899
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,330
know what to say he kind of said words

900
00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:24,880
like this well I don't remember Bob

901
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:25,630
Lazar

902
00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:28,570
maybe I met him maybe I didn't and if

903
00:46:31,470 --> 00:46:30,580
but if I did met him I don't remember

904
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:31,480
meeting him

905
00:46:36,210 --> 00:46:33,640
it's it was almost like what you would

906
00:46:38,910 --> 00:46:36,220
call like lawyer speak you know as if

907
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:38,920
he'd been coached to say something but

908
00:46:44,820 --> 00:46:42,310
not to say too much and and again it's

909
00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:44,830
very weird that's one of the most

910
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:47,500
primary powerful figures in the

911
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:49,210
scientific community in the US

912
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:52,510
government's would not confirm and more

913
00:46:57,380 --> 00:46:55,150
importantly would not deny that he'd met

914
00:47:00,750 --> 00:46:57,390
Teller as that he'd met Lazar and

915
00:47:03,150 --> 00:47:00,760
possibly had pushed things forward for

916
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:03,160
Lazar to actually get this particular

917
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:07,570
job so to speak so a lot of weird stuff

918
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:10,450
surrounds Lazar and which is why for me

919
00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:14,350
I keep sort of wide open on his claims

920
00:47:19,950 --> 00:47:17,140
I don't believe personally that he is a

921
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:19,960
hoax but I'll get as we go on I'll get

922
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:22,510
to what I think might be the the thrust

923
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:25,960
of it but to go back to the interview he

924
00:47:31,410 --> 00:47:27,910
had the interview and then he was

925
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:31,420
connector contacted again and was told

926
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:33,010
look this is there gonna be a highly

927
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:35,410
classified program you want to go out

928
00:47:40,830 --> 00:47:39,010
there there's gonna be severe penalties

929
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:40,840
if you ever talk about this and so on

930
00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:45,040
and Lazar actually didn't spend that

931
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:48,430
much time out at area 51 as a lot of

932
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:51,130
people think he first started working

933
00:47:57,180 --> 00:47:55,330
there in 88 he said and by early 89 the

934
00:48:01,700 --> 00:47:57,190
job was over for reasons which will

935
00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:01,710
become clear now according to Lazar

936
00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:04,360
although it was from sort of like I said

937
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:07,180
late 88 through early 89 so we're

938
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:09,130
talking about several months he didn't

939
00:48:14,610 --> 00:48:12,070
spend their entire time out of the base

940
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:14,620
and it was actually just a small time so

941
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,930
it could have been a total of perhaps

942
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:18,880
several weeks maybe a month or so

943
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:22,450
altogether but what we have is a

944
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:25,570
situation where Lazar said he was taken

945
00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:29,890
out and taken to the s4 and was

946
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:32,200
basically then told we want you to help

947
00:48:38,820 --> 00:48:35,940
working on an advanced technology

948
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:38,830
propulsion system he didn't really know

949
00:48:43,650 --> 00:48:40,450
what he was getting into at that

950
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,660
particular time he just assumed that the

951
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:45,520
government had developed something

952
00:48:50,010 --> 00:48:48,070
radical and revolutionary and they

953
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,020
wanted him on board which fellows are

954
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:52,720
was you know was exciting enough in

955
00:48:57,930 --> 00:48:56,770
itself but when he was thence shown

956
00:49:01,200 --> 00:48:57,940
something else

957
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:01,210
he realized that something bigger was

958
00:49:09,330 --> 00:49:05,010
going on for example the team out at s4

959
00:49:11,970 --> 00:49:09,340
reportedly showed him a number of what

960
00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:11,980
we would call flying saucers held at s4

961
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:14,470
and what's interesting he said that

962
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,270
apart from one which had saw

963
00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:18,880
of a deep dent in the side of the craft

964
00:49:24,330 --> 00:49:21,750
he said apart from that the other

965
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:24,340
vehicles UFOs whatever you want to call

966
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:26,950
them the others were intact they seemed

967
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:29,680
in sort of pristine shape in other words

968
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,130
they weren't like as if they'd crashed

969
00:49:39,450 --> 00:49:36,880
you know in like a Roswell scenario even

970
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:39,460
speculating could have been donated

971
00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:42,430
where they found he did not actually any

972
00:49:47,370 --> 00:49:44,830
answers to that but when they allowed

973
00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:47,380
him to get inside one of these craft

974
00:49:53,070 --> 00:49:50,620
Lazar said that everything inside was

975
00:49:55,140 --> 00:49:53,080
really small he said the seats were only

976
00:49:59,370 --> 00:49:55,150
the size where you would get like a

977
00:50:01,380 --> 00:49:59,380
four-year-old kid to sit in it and when

978
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:01,390
he noticed everything there was sort of

979
00:50:06,990 --> 00:50:04,690
fitted out for really small people that

980
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:07,000
was when if you like the penny dropped

981
00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:09,490
and he was thinking wow you know maybe

982
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:13,150
these UFOs are not the government's UFOs

983
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:15,130
after all but there's somebody else's

984
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:17,440
and we've got them we've got them that

985
00:50:23,010 --> 00:50:19,530
they've become our property so to speak

986
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:23,020
then he realized from his perspective oh

987
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:26,770
my god I'm working on a top-secret alien

988
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:29,290
technology program and of course by that

989
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:31,870
time he'd signed the contract he was out

990
00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:34,800
there and so in that sense he was now

991
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:37,300
forced to go ahead there was no turning

992
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:42,820
back and Lazar worked there he said for

993
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,330
an as I said for a number of months and

994
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:47,680
one of the most interesting things he

995
00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:50,470
said was that for the most part hardly

996
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:53,230
any developments or advancements had

997
00:50:58,590 --> 00:50:55,690
been made he said over the years they

998
00:51:02,400 --> 00:50:58,600
bought in various scientists and experts

999
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:02,410
to try and understand this propulsion

1000
00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:07,090
system of the aliens and but reportedly

1001
00:51:11,850 --> 00:51:09,640
they hadn't hardly got anywhere with it

1002
00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:11,860
it was just kind of a case of looking at

1003
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:13,660
the UFO and scratching your head and

1004
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:15,970
thinking well who else can we get in to

1005
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:18,640
look into this particular story and how

1006
00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:21,450
can we try and understand the technology

1007
00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:25,300
so in that way to me that sounds quite

1008
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:28,540
plausible you know the the idea that you

1009
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:29,710
could sort of

1010
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,890
have a UFO from another world and alien

1011
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,440
technology falling into your lap the

1012
00:51:39,810 --> 00:51:37,359
idea that within sort of three months

1013
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:39,820
six months you could replicate it and

1014
00:51:46,109 --> 00:51:42,609
duplicate it and so on that doesn't seem

1015
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:46,119
to me to be very plausible but the idea

1016
00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:48,310
that the best scientists on the planet

1017
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:50,950
would be baffled to me that does sound

1018
00:51:56,430 --> 00:51:54,490
very plausible and and he said that the

1019
00:51:58,650 --> 00:51:56,440
work was actually really slow going

1020
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:58,660
because they just did not know what to

1021
00:52:05,790 --> 00:52:01,359
do with it or how to do anything with

1022
00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:05,800
him but nevertheless they let him work

1023
00:52:11,579 --> 00:52:09,190
on the program but he made a big mistake

1024
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:11,589
or from his perspective and with

1025
00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:14,890
hindsight because Lazar actually can

1026
00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:17,560
find it in a couple of friends as to

1027
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:20,230
what was going out there and his ex-wife

1028
00:52:28,050 --> 00:52:24,490
also knew as well and so what happened

1029
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:28,060
from there is that Lazar because he

1030
00:52:32,310 --> 00:52:29,920
started to talk out of turn with his

1031
00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:32,320
friends he started to get worried he

1032
00:52:37,290 --> 00:52:34,780
wondered even if I'm one points you know

1033
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:37,300
he might go out to the base and never be

1034
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:40,930
seen again you know and so he decided

1035
00:52:49,410 --> 00:52:43,810
that because he violated the contract

1036
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:49,420
and was now essentially a big problem to

1037
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:51,849
the government he decided to go public

1038
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:53,890
he felt if he was hiding behind the

1039
00:52:59,420 --> 00:52:56,800
shadows anything could happen to him but

1040
00:53:02,760 --> 00:52:59,430
if he actually went public to the media

1041
00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:02,770
then possibly he'd be okay because

1042
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:05,260
nobody would touch him when his name was

1043
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:09,010
big news in the media and so on so what

1044
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:12,010
happened is that he approached George

1045
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:16,810
Knapp as a well respected journalist in

1046
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,950
Nevada in Las Vegas and George arranged

1047
00:53:26,250 --> 00:53:23,520
to do a number of interviews with Lazar

1048
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:26,260
basic basically telling the story which

1049
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:27,730
I'm just taught telling right now

1050
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:32,050
and at the time Lazar had his name just

1051
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:35,050
under an alias and so nobody really knew

1052
00:53:40,290 --> 00:53:37,990
who he was but just a few months after

1053
00:53:43,550 --> 00:53:40,300
that Lazar became more comfortable and

1054
00:53:46,850 --> 00:53:43,560
started to talk about what was going on

1055
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,860
today's fall and how its seen these UFO

1056
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:49,200
type crafts and they didn't seem to be

1057
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:52,440
the kind of things that a six-foot a us

1058
00:53:58,970 --> 00:53:55,850
test pilot could fly in and and like

1059
00:54:02,090 --> 00:53:58,980
Lazar himself George not realized this

1060
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,100
was a huge story now of course the big

1061
00:54:08,980 --> 00:54:05,040
question is were these flying saucers

1062
00:54:12,550 --> 00:54:08,990
these UFOs ours or somebody else's

1063
00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:12,560
that's the big question

1064
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:17,150
now that's an artist impression of a

1065
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:21,660
1950s UFO that the US military developed

1066
00:54:27,350 --> 00:54:24,390
called the avrocar that's sort of a

1067
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:27,360
fairly accurate image of what it looked

1068
00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:31,440
like he got the US emblem on flying

1069
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:34,590
saucer and the one bit that isn't real

1070
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:36,780
you've got like this cannon coming out

1071
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:39,450
of the top of the flying saucer but that

1072
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:42,450
was made like that to demonstrate that

1073
00:54:47,620 --> 00:54:44,700
these the government was thinking of

1074
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:47,630
making circular aircraft that could be

1075
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:52,050
essentially a weapon of war now that

1076
00:54:58,310 --> 00:54:55,290
that's a real picture of the avrocar it

1077
00:55:01,790 --> 00:54:58,320
kind of looks impressive but the fact is

1078
00:55:03,350 --> 00:55:01,800
it barely got off the ground and when I

1079
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,360
say barely got off the ground I mean

1080
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:05,760
like three to four feet and they were

1081
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:09,570
able to fly it sort of in the air as I

1082
00:55:14,420 --> 00:55:11,220
said about a hyper three or four feet

1083
00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:14,430
for maybe a few hundred yards and it was

1084
00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:16,980
sometimes clang on the ground and so on

1085
00:55:26,810 --> 00:55:21,590
and it really didn't work too well

1086
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:26,820
that's another one as you can see you've

1087
00:55:33,050 --> 00:55:30,240
got the US Air Force emblems there now

1088
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:33,060
of course this has gone back to the 50s

1089
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:37,680
so we're talking 60 years ago now is it

1090
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:40,530
possible that in the intervening 60

1091
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,000
years since that was created - now or

1092
00:55:51,020 --> 00:55:47,040
even thirty years after which would have

1093
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,030
been 1988 89 when Lazar surfaced it's

1094
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:53,280
not impossible that we could have

1095
00:55:56,990 --> 00:55:56,040
developed something like that much

1096
00:56:01,100 --> 00:55:57,000
better than the air

1097
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:01,110
the avrocar and that was in use in 1988

1098
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:05,730
and and maybe Lazar saw something that

1099
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:08,640
wasn't a real UFO but was something that

1100
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:12,090
was actually alien technics qubit wasn't

1101
00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:14,010
alien technology but which was actually

1102
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:17,070
something of the government but of

1103
00:56:20,810 --> 00:56:18,690
course the big question is why on earth

1104
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,820
would the government create something

1105
00:56:27,740 --> 00:56:23,040
like that with tiny seats you know that

1106
00:56:30,740 --> 00:56:27,750
that just doesn't make much sense that's

1107
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:30,750
actually one of the avro cars that you

1108
00:56:37,550 --> 00:56:34,890
can see in in a museum I think it's the

1109
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:37,560
right Patterson Museum and you can see

1110
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:41,370
to be battered and messed up and but you

1111
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:43,980
can you can still see the the basic

1112
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:48,690
shape of it that's another one project

1113
00:56:55,550 --> 00:56:53,370
why again sort of like a flying saucer

1114
00:56:58,460 --> 00:56:55,560
type craft and and again there was

1115
00:57:02,090 --> 00:56:58,470
nothing particularly spectacular about

1116
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:02,100
any of these craft at all in the sense

1117
00:57:08,620 --> 00:57:05,130
that they look weird that was about it

1118
00:57:11,590 --> 00:57:08,630
there was no radical advanced technology

1119
00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:11,600
but they did kind of look and read and

1120
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:14,070
resemble flying saucers as they were

1121
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:19,770
perceived back in the 1950s and so in

1122
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:23,280
that sense I think we can certainly make

1123
00:57:30,290 --> 00:57:25,020
a case I think that if we're flying

1124
00:57:33,260 --> 00:57:30,300
things like that and that even just sort

1125
00:57:36,110 --> 00:57:33,270
of to a small degree in the 1950s I

1126
00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:36,120
don't think it's impossible at all that

1127
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:38,430
we might have something like along those

1128
00:57:50,380 --> 00:57:45,330
lines today now the story gets really

1129
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:50,390
weird when Lazar said that as well as

1130
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,490
giving him access to the alien

1131
00:57:59,120 --> 00:57:55,680
technology to try and understand the

1132
00:58:01,040 --> 00:57:59,130
propulsion system they also he said gave

1133
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:01,050
him this huge amount of highly

1134
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:03,810
classified government material to read

1135
00:58:10,850 --> 00:58:07,850
which basically told the story of the

1136
00:58:12,980 --> 00:58:10,860
human alien interaction that had gone

1137
00:58:18,140 --> 00:58:12,990
for thousands of years and maybe even

1138
00:58:21,950 --> 00:58:18,150
longer and these files talked about how

1139
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:21,960
the alien supposedly had genetically

1140
00:58:27,650 --> 00:58:24,720
manipulated early primitive people

1141
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:27,660
possibly millions of years ago and sort

1142
00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:30,570
of made periodical upgrades which is the

1143
00:58:35,470 --> 00:58:32,520
actual wording he said was in the

1144
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:35,480
documents periodic upgrading of

1145
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:38,730
primitive humans to where we are today

1146
00:58:46,270 --> 00:58:43,200
and also though in the files there was a

1147
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:46,280
very strange section almost like a

1148
00:58:52,340 --> 00:58:50,160
sinister aspect of the story where Lazar

1149
00:58:55,070 --> 00:58:52,350
read one particular part of the

1150
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:55,080
documents that said that the aliens

1151
00:59:01,910 --> 00:58:57,810
viewed us as what they called containers

1152
00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:01,920
and Lazar wondered what does that mean

1153
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:03,260
you know what does it mean bike

1154
00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:07,110
containers and that more the the delving

1155
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:09,540
that went into this it appeared to be

1156
00:59:15,830 --> 00:59:12,510
that the containers were were us were

1157
00:59:18,860 --> 00:59:15,840
our physical bodies but the aliens for

1158
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:18,870
some reason sinister ease and weird

1159
00:59:25,790 --> 00:59:22,170
reason we had a deep interest or

1160
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:25,800
obsession in the human soul and I said

1161
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:28,140
this get sort of really weird but

1162
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:31,290
interesting and the scenario was that

1163
00:59:37,070 --> 00:59:33,900
the aliens didn't care at all really

1164
00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:37,080
about us as physical flesh and blood and

1165
00:59:42,740 --> 00:59:40,200
bone creatures animals people have you

1166
00:59:45,140 --> 00:59:42,750
want to term us but it was this

1167
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:45,150
obsession with the human soul that they

1168
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:48,720
had and over time various other saw

1169
00:59:55,100 --> 00:59:51,570
stories came out that the aliens

1170
00:59:59,420 --> 00:59:55,110
themselves the well the scenario that

1171
01:00:01,550 --> 00:59:59,430
that actually that the primary scenario

1172
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:01,560
that came out was that the so-called

1173
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:04,290
Grey's these little creatures with the

1174
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:06,480
large black head a skin large head and

1175
01:00:12,620 --> 01:00:09,770
the black eyes the scenario is that a

1176
01:00:15,140 --> 01:00:12,630
they are not sort of living creatures

1177
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:15,150
like us but they're sort of a biological

1178
01:00:21,290 --> 01:00:18,720
robot created and sort of like a worker

1179
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:21,300
drone that kind of thing

1180
01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:25,530
and but the fact that they don't have a

1181
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:28,260
normal life in the sense that we do that

1182
01:00:36,490 --> 01:00:31,890
they don't have souls and so the theory

1183
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:36,500
is that the aliens had this obsessive

1184
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:40,290
obsession with the human soul as a means

1185
01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:42,570
to try and determine if they could

1186
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:45,990
somehow almost like steal ourselves and

1187
01:00:54,110 --> 01:00:50,490
have infinite life themselves which is a

1188
01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:54,120
really controversial scenario but that

1189
01:01:00,260 --> 01:00:56,910
was basically the outgrowth that certain

1190
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:00,270
researchers believed when lazar story

1191
01:01:09,050 --> 01:01:05,010
surfaced in relation to you know this

1192
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,060
angle of containers and why the from the

1193
01:01:14,780 --> 01:01:11,280
aliens perspective it was very important

1194
01:01:17,420 --> 01:01:14,790
that we that the the Healy containers

1195
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:17,430
were protected and not because they

1196
01:01:22,670 --> 01:01:19,770
particularly liked us or cared about us

1197
01:01:27,110 --> 01:01:22,680
but it was what was inside us that they

1198
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:27,120
actually had this obsession for now if

1199
01:01:34,820 --> 01:01:31,200
that is true you know that would be very

1200
01:01:38,260 --> 01:01:34,830
very very sinister the idea almost as if

1201
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,270
you know the the Earth's like a farm and

1202
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:41,280
their farming our souls that's one of

1203
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:44,010
the really controversial theories that

1204
01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:47,250
you can find within certain aspects of

1205
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:49,500
UFO research there's actually sort of a

1206
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:53,490
like an underground grope so to speak

1207
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:55,890
who believe that that's exactly what's

1208
01:02:02,450 --> 01:01:57,930
going on that the earth is sort of like

1209
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:02,460
a farm and the farming is not physically

1210
01:02:12,530 --> 01:02:07,410
of us but of our souls and that scenario

1211
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:12,540
actually went on and became a major part

1212
01:02:17,860 --> 01:02:15,920
of alien abduction research for example

1213
01:02:21,620 --> 01:02:17,870
whitley strieber

1214
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:21,630
dr. john mack various other

1215
01:02:27,830 --> 01:02:24,540
well-respected abduction researchers and

1216
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:27,840
abductees also talked about that when

1217
01:02:33,170 --> 01:02:29,970
they were abducted on some occasions

1218
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:33,180
they had sort of out-of-body experiences

1219
01:02:37,579 --> 01:02:34,890
where for example they

1220
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:37,589
would see themselves looking down on

1221
01:02:44,180 --> 01:02:40,049
their body with all these small bar

1222
01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:44,190
these small creatures around the bed in

1223
01:02:49,609 --> 01:02:47,190
a UFO and yet they're looking down kind

1224
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:49,619
of like a classic out-of-body experience

1225
01:02:54,650 --> 01:02:53,130
that people have when they you know

1226
01:02:56,779 --> 01:02:54,660
they're in a situation in the hospital

1227
01:02:59,240 --> 01:02:56,789
they've had a heart attack they briefly

1228
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,250
die for a few minutes and when they come

1229
01:03:03,279 --> 01:03:01,440
back they have recollections of looking

1230
01:03:06,740 --> 01:03:03,289
down at the doctors and the nurses

1231
01:03:08,990 --> 01:03:06,750
frantically trying to get them you know

1232
01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:09,000
to kickstart and come back to life again

1233
01:03:15,380 --> 01:03:11,700
and there are a lot of cases like that

1234
01:03:17,420 --> 01:03:15,390
in the abduction field where people felt

1235
01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:17,430
as if their soul had been ripped out of

1236
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:20,819
them and that somehow the aliens were

1237
01:03:27,460 --> 01:03:24,960
able to almost sort of absorb the soul

1238
01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:27,470
as a means to try and achieve

1239
01:03:34,370 --> 01:03:30,390
immortality if of course you know the

1240
01:03:37,970 --> 01:03:34,380
the soul is immortal so we had a

1241
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:37,980
situation where all of this began

1242
01:03:45,529 --> 01:03:41,250
fellows are with us if you like as a

1243
01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:45,539
study of alien technology and then it

1244
01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:49,529
leads into this really weird aspects of

1245
01:03:57,740 --> 01:03:53,910
the human soul now so I sometimes wonder

1246
01:04:00,440 --> 01:03:57,750
if you know the the real reason why the

1247
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:00,450
whole UFO subject is kept secret by the

1248
01:04:07,450 --> 01:04:03,450
governments maybe not just because

1249
01:04:11,059 --> 01:04:07,460
aliens are visiting us not just because

1250
01:04:13,220 --> 01:04:11,069
you know the technology but maybe it's

1251
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,230
something else something so strange

1252
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:15,839
something like this that the government

1253
01:04:21,980 --> 01:04:18,809
is so fearful about telling us because

1254
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:21,990
they don't know how to tell us and I

1255
01:04:29,269 --> 01:04:26,640
think that's an important angle the idea

1256
01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:29,279
that you know I think we often assume

1257
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:32,910
that not only do governments know what's

1258
01:04:37,339 --> 01:04:35,160
going on but they're also on top of

1259
01:04:39,140 --> 01:04:37,349
things they know what they're doing but

1260
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:39,150
maybe they don't maybe they've uncovered

1261
01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:42,480
something so shocking like this that

1262
01:04:48,590 --> 01:04:44,819
they just don't know how to handle it

1263
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:48,600
and so they bury it with multi

1264
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:50,930
pulled disinformation stories and

1265
01:04:57,290 --> 01:04:54,000
psychological warfare programs just to

1266
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:57,300
keep people away from this weirdest

1267
01:05:04,850 --> 01:05:01,680
story now of course this for the most

1268
01:05:08,270 --> 01:05:04,860
part this part of the story comes from

1269
01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:08,280
the files that Lazar was shown at area

1270
01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:11,160
51 of course the big question is well

1271
01:05:16,010 --> 01:05:13,140
how do we know the files that he saw

1272
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,020
were real how do we know that that

1273
01:05:20,510 --> 01:05:18,540
wasn't part of disinformation as well

1274
01:05:23,770 --> 01:05:20,520
well the answer is we actually don't

1275
01:05:26,780 --> 01:05:23,780
really know all we know for sure is that

1276
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:26,790
he was given that particular story and

1277
01:05:34,070 --> 01:05:29,910
that containers angle of the story

1278
01:05:36,620 --> 01:05:34,080
really was the highlight for a while in

1279
01:05:40,310 --> 01:05:36,630
terms of that particular aspect of his

1280
01:05:43,370 --> 01:05:40,320
work out there now as I mentioned

1281
01:05:45,020 --> 01:05:43,380
earlier unlike a lot of researchers and

1282
01:05:48,290 --> 01:05:45,030
particularly like the light Stan

1283
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,300
Friedman Stan I was good friends with

1284
01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:50,640
Stan and but we dist definitely

1285
01:05:58,510 --> 01:05:54,660
disappear we just differed on you know

1286
01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:58,520
the whole scenario that Lazar was saying

1287
01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:02,160
Stan's actual words were bonk bonk bonk

1288
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:04,680
that was he actually said that and that

1289
01:06:09,290 --> 01:06:07,290
was his sort of famous line when he came

1290
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:09,300
whenever he came to talking about Lazar

1291
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:11,850
Stan didn't believe any part of the

1292
01:06:19,070 --> 01:06:16,170
story at all now the reason why I don't

1293
01:06:22,310 --> 01:06:19,080
believe that Lazar was a hoaxer was

1294
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:22,320
because occasionally unfortunately we do

1295
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:25,050
get people in the UFO field who want to

1296
01:06:29,170 --> 01:06:26,880
fake things you know it's just an

1297
01:06:31,340 --> 01:06:29,180
unfortunate thing it happens and

1298
01:06:35,210 --> 01:06:31,350
hopefully you know if we can figure it

1299
01:06:36,740 --> 01:06:35,220
out and and you know show the hoaxes of

1300
01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:36,750
who they are well that's that's a good

1301
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:39,510
thing but as I said you know we do get

1302
01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:41,910
hoaxes now and again but typically what

1303
01:06:47,860 --> 01:06:44,460
they do you know the claim they've had

1304
01:06:51,470 --> 01:06:47,870
this experience they get a book deal

1305
01:06:54,980 --> 01:06:51,480
they go on the lecture circuit and they

1306
01:06:57,170 --> 01:06:54,990
on TV and they do this for weeks and

1307
01:06:59,900 --> 01:06:57,180
then months and then years and then the

1308
01:07:02,170 --> 01:06:59,910
story dries up so what do they do well

1309
01:07:05,180 --> 01:07:02,180
they've got used to getting all this

1310
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:05,190
adoration and money and so on so they

1311
01:07:10,940 --> 01:07:07,770
add a new leather level to the story oh

1312
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:10,950
I've had another experience and so you

1313
01:07:15,859 --> 01:07:12,809
know I'm gonna write another book and so

1314
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:15,869
on and so on that's typically what a lot

1315
01:07:22,910 --> 01:07:19,200
of the hoaxes do however Lazar didn't do

1316
01:07:26,059 --> 01:07:22,920
anything like that for example he gave

1317
01:07:28,819 --> 01:07:26,069
his initial interviews to George Knapp

1318
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:28,829
in Las Vegas as I mentioned he did a few

1319
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:31,920
radio shows and a few lectures in the

1320
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:35,039
late 80s and he never wrote a book about

1321
01:07:41,539 --> 01:07:38,960
his experiences never read a movie made

1322
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:41,549
never went massively on the lecture

1323
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:45,450
circuit and really didn't gain anything

1324
01:07:51,170 --> 01:07:48,510
from actually coming out and telling

1325
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:51,180
this story and that's not how your

1326
01:07:58,010 --> 01:07:54,780
average hoaxer works they hoax something

1327
01:07:58,730 --> 01:07:58,020
in in hope of getting something in

1328
01:08:01,339 --> 01:07:58,740
return

1329
01:08:03,620 --> 01:08:01,349
Lazar wasn't even looking for anything

1330
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:03,630
in return he was basically saying well

1331
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:05,849
this is the story I've got take it or

1332
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:06,329
leave it

1333
01:08:11,390 --> 01:08:08,970
and and again whether you buy into his

1334
01:08:14,539 --> 01:08:11,400
story or not the story that he tells

1335
01:08:20,570 --> 01:08:14,549
today is the same one he told thirty-one

1336
01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:20,580
years ago 1988 through 1999 and you

1337
01:08:24,769 --> 01:08:22,140
rarely well I want to say you rarely

1338
01:08:27,459 --> 01:08:24,779
find it I don't think I've ever come

1339
01:08:30,499 --> 01:08:27,469
across another case like lazarre's where

1340
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:30,509
somebody had such a an incredible story

1341
01:08:36,530 --> 01:08:33,690
to tell but did actually absolutely

1342
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:36,540
nothing with it and I said as I said I

1343
01:08:45,140 --> 01:08:41,489
don't think that is the sign of a hoaxer

1344
01:08:47,780 --> 01:08:45,150
a hoax it would be really going after

1345
01:08:52,249 --> 01:08:47,790
the money and the dollars and the fame

1346
01:08:54,860 --> 01:08:52,259
and the TV Lazar was really very much in

1347
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:54,870
the shadows even you know the early

1348
01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:57,210
nineties when he was interviewing B when

1349
01:09:01,789 --> 01:08:58,620
he was interviewed by people like

1350
01:09:04,999 --> 01:09:01,799
Timothy good whose book alien liaison

1351
01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:05,009
covers a lot of the Lazar story but

1352
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:09,239
again you know it was like well who do

1353
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:13,679
we believe and I do believe Lazar did

1354
01:09:19,209 --> 01:09:14,809
work out there

1355
01:09:22,209 --> 01:09:19,219
I do believe he saw these craft oh man I

1356
01:09:26,829 --> 01:09:22,219
mean two minds as to whether he actually

1357
01:09:30,099 --> 01:09:26,839
saw alien spacecraft or if he was if he

1358
01:09:34,209 --> 01:09:30,109
was like a patsy if he was being used as

1359
01:09:36,579 --> 01:09:34,219
a means to put a message out to someone

1360
01:09:39,490 --> 01:09:36,589
like the Russians or the Chinese that

1361
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:39,500
we've got alien technology when maybe we

1362
01:09:45,490 --> 01:09:42,170
haven't or maybe we have I'll explain

1363
01:09:47,919 --> 01:09:45,500
what I mean by that in the late 1980s

1364
01:09:51,459 --> 01:09:47,929
we know this note from the Freedom

1365
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:51,469
Information Act that even the period

1366
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:54,770
sort of 84 to about 87 we know that the

1367
01:10:00,580 --> 01:09:57,530
worst sort of like a cabal of Russian

1368
01:10:02,919 --> 01:10:00,590
spies in the United States trying to

1369
01:10:05,709 --> 01:10:02,929
find information on the stealth bomber

1370
01:10:07,299 --> 01:10:05,719
and the stealth fighter which hadn't at

1371
01:10:09,609 --> 01:10:07,309
that time they hadn't been officially

1372
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:09,619
acknowledged and nobody really had seen

1373
01:10:16,299 --> 01:10:13,610
them and the US was very worried about

1374
01:10:18,580 --> 01:10:16,309
these Russian spies uncovering

1375
01:10:21,459 --> 01:10:18,590
information on all of our top-secret

1376
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:21,469
aircraft which is understandable but

1377
01:10:28,180 --> 01:10:24,530
what happened from there was we had

1378
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:28,190
people like Lazar you know being exposed

1379
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:32,570
to alien technology and so on it makes

1380
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:37,730
me wonder if the the story of the the

1381
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:40,250
UFOs and the aliens at area 51 I

1382
01:10:47,529 --> 01:10:43,510
sometimes wonder if this was actually

1383
01:10:49,899 --> 01:10:47,539
created this scenario to try and entice

1384
01:10:53,290 --> 01:10:49,909
these Russian spies almost like a

1385
01:10:55,930 --> 01:10:53,300
dangling carrot you know and have them

1386
01:10:59,200 --> 01:10:55,940
try and find out what's going area 51

1387
01:11:01,810 --> 01:10:59,210
and then the agents our agents could

1388
01:11:03,580 --> 01:11:01,820
jump in and grab them so in other words

1389
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:03,590
you know we have that we had that

1390
01:11:10,169 --> 01:11:07,130
scenario the idea of a program designed

1391
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:10,179
to make people think we got

1392
01:11:14,890 --> 01:11:12,530
extraterrestrial technology but as a

1393
01:11:18,879 --> 01:11:14,900
means to try and reel in these Soviet

1394
01:11:21,970 --> 01:11:18,889
spies and then arrest them now that that

1395
01:11:23,379 --> 01:11:21,980
is one scenario but it would be to work

1396
01:11:26,379 --> 01:11:23,389
it would have to be incredibly

1397
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:26,389
sophisticated because Lazar said he saw

1398
01:11:31,870 --> 01:11:28,489
seven or eight of these circular

1399
01:11:37,959 --> 01:11:31,880
crafts over to area 51 so you know in

1400
01:11:39,759 --> 01:11:37,969
that sense I think we can if that is the

1401
01:11:41,790 --> 01:11:39,769
scenario we can look it from the

1402
01:11:45,850 --> 01:11:41,800
perspective that it was incredibly

1403
01:11:47,410 --> 01:11:45,860
advanced and I'm not sure the even the

1404
01:11:49,810 --> 01:11:47,420
government we've had the ability to go

1405
01:11:52,689 --> 01:11:49,820
that far in terms of building and

1406
01:11:54,970 --> 01:11:52,699
constructing so many of these craft just

1407
01:12:00,759 --> 01:11:54,980
as a means to try and catch a few

1408
01:12:03,069 --> 01:12:00,769
Russian spies by lazarre's own admission

1409
01:12:05,529 --> 01:12:03,079
he said on several occasions that when

1410
01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:05,539
he went out to area 51 and then came

1411
01:12:11,259 --> 01:12:09,710
back home to Las Vegas he said that he

1412
01:12:13,930 --> 01:12:11,269
couldn't remember what had happened

1413
01:12:16,359 --> 01:12:13,940
there's like an entire day would be gone

1414
01:12:18,819 --> 01:12:16,369
or two days would be just blocked out of

1415
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:18,829
his mind and he came to suspect that

1416
01:12:23,979 --> 01:12:20,800
there being some sort of mind

1417
01:12:27,850 --> 01:12:23,989
manipulation or mind control on him so

1418
01:12:31,989 --> 01:12:27,860
that sort of begs the question how can

1419
01:12:34,959 --> 01:12:31,999
we sort of determine how accurate

1420
01:12:37,390 --> 01:12:34,969
lazarre's memories are when certain

1421
01:12:39,790 --> 01:12:37,400
portions of his memory have been wiped

1422
01:12:42,879 --> 01:12:39,800
out and land that's not like a slur on

1423
01:12:44,890 --> 01:12:42,889
Lazar it's me it's just a case of if

1424
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:44,900
part of his memory is gone and

1425
01:12:49,390 --> 01:12:47,210
somebody's been playing mind games with

1426
01:12:52,660 --> 01:12:49,400
him how do we actually know what the

1427
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:52,670
full picture is so the unfortunate side

1428
01:12:59,739 --> 01:12:57,170
of it is that 31 years after Lazar first

1429
01:13:02,009 --> 01:12:59,749
started to talk about this we're still

1430
01:13:07,770 --> 01:13:02,019
asking the same questions that we were

1431
01:13:10,060 --> 01:13:07,780
back in in 1988 and 1989 and as I said

1432
01:13:11,529 --> 01:13:10,070
unlike a lot of people I don't think

1433
01:13:15,250 --> 01:13:11,539
he's a hoax I think he was speaking

1434
01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:15,260
genuine but I'm just not sure what he

1435
01:13:23,529 --> 01:13:19,369
saw and I don't know how much you know

1436
01:13:25,540 --> 01:13:23,539
can be relied in relation to when

1437
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:25,550
somebody's mind is messed around with

1438
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:27,289
you know either

1439
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:30,110
there really are UFOs and aliens at area

1440
01:13:38,410 --> 01:13:33,650
51 or somebody wants us to think they're

1441
01:13:42,009 --> 01:13:38,420
aliens and UFOs at area 51 so that's

1442
01:13:42,490 --> 01:13:42,019
sort of my background and my take on

1443
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,500
area

1444
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:44,000
fifty-one different people have

1445
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:48,050
different scenarios other people kind of

1446
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:50,330
you know blend a few different aspects

1447
01:13:56,610 --> 01:13:53,810
into the phenomenon as well so you know

1448
01:14:01,150 --> 01:13:56,620
I wish I could give you sort of a more

1449
01:14:03,190 --> 01:14:01,160
black-and-white picture you know where

1450
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:03,200
we can save this and we can say that for

1451
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:05,930
sure but that's the big problem with the

1452
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:10,250
whole area 51 story is that everything

1453
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:14,000
about it is weird strange lies

1454
01:14:19,420 --> 01:14:17,360
disinformation and truth but we don't

1455
01:14:21,940 --> 01:14:19,430
know which one actually falls into which

1456
01:14:23,890 --> 01:14:21,950
category and maybe there are some people

1457
01:14:26,650 --> 01:14:23,900
in government to actually like that they

1458
01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:26,660
like the whole thing in a state of

1459
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:30,980
mystique primarily because it's the more

1460
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:33,440
confusion there is the less likelihood

1461
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:34,850
is that we're going to get the answers

1462
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:37,310
you know maybe somebody's deliberately

1463
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:40,130
making us chase our tail down there and

1464
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:41,810
then down there when we should be

1465
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,210
looking there so the stories are

1466
01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:46,400
fascinating one and there really isn't

1467
01:14:52,060 --> 01:14:49,670
and anything else like area 51

1468
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:52,070
not just the facility but also the

1469
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:56,090
history of it as well and maybe one day

1470
01:15:00,340 --> 01:14:58,010
that'll change you know and overnight

1471
01:15:03,790 --> 01:15:00,350
for whatever reason the whole story will

1472
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:03,800
come out and if that happens you know it

1473
01:15:09,970 --> 01:15:06,170
will be pretty amazing I think whatever

1474
01:15:11,730 --> 01:15:09,980
the answer is and just one last thing

1475
01:15:15,820 --> 01:15:11,740
and we can have a think about 10 minutes

1476
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:15,830
questions or so I've got a new book out

1477
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:17,570
right now flying saucers from the

1478
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:19,730
Kremlin which you might find interesting

1479
01:15:24,850 --> 01:15:22,850
because it actually digs further into

1480
01:15:27,810 --> 01:15:24,860
that angle of government manipulation

1481
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:27,820
and creating lies and

1482
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:31,250
counterintelligence programs but this

1483
01:15:35,530 --> 01:15:33,440
one sort of deals with from the Russian

1484
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:35,540
perspective I use the freedom

1485
01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:38,450
information a lot and got hold of a

1486
01:15:45,210 --> 01:15:41,270
number of interesting files talking

1487
01:15:49,150 --> 01:15:45,220
about how the Russians were spreading

1488
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:49,160
UFO propaganda best bizarre as it sounds

1489
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:51,770
in the 1950s as well just one of many

1490
01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:53,570
examples in the book

1491
01:15:59,080 --> 01:15:56,300
they're at the the Russians were

1492
01:16:01,419 --> 01:15:59,090
actually spreading rumors that the in

1493
01:16:04,089 --> 01:16:01,429
the early 1950s with the space brothers

1494
01:16:06,009 --> 01:16:04,099
and the contactees that the so called

1495
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:06,019
space brothers that were coming to visit

1496
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:09,170
us and so on were communists now that

1497
01:16:14,430 --> 01:16:11,690
kind of sounds really strange today that

1498
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:14,440
the Russians back then would try and

1499
01:16:19,569 --> 01:16:17,360
convince the Europe people of the United

1500
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:19,579
States that the aliens visiting us were

1501
01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:22,159
communists and communism is really good

1502
01:16:27,370 --> 01:16:24,260
that that's was the the message they

1503
01:16:29,410 --> 01:16:27,380
were trying to get across so again what

1504
01:16:31,810 --> 01:16:29,420
this demonstrates is that as well as

1505
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:31,820
real UFOs you know there's no doubt in

1506
01:16:37,089 --> 01:16:34,730
my mind that there are real UFOs like my

1507
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:37,099
dad's experience in the 50s that's what

1508
01:16:43,390 --> 01:16:39,679
got me interested we know there's a real

1509
01:16:46,569 --> 01:16:43,400
phenomenon but what's also being going

1510
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:46,579
on is the creation and the fabrication

1511
01:16:53,319 --> 01:16:50,449
of bogus UFO stories to hide the true

1512
01:16:56,740 --> 01:16:53,329
stories so bet the whole thing becomes

1513
01:17:00,100 --> 01:16:56,750
like very much a detective story and

1514
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:00,110
mirrors area 51 we know something's

1515
01:17:04,899 --> 01:17:03,050
going on we're not fully sure what the

1516
01:17:08,109 --> 01:17:04,909
the full picture is though and that's

1517
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:08,119
what we need to try and strive to get so

1518
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:11,329
in the 15 minutes or so if anybody's got

1519
01:17:16,529 --> 01:17:13,489
any questions if you want to come up to

1520
01:17:19,870 --> 01:17:16,539
the mic we can we can have a little Q&A

1521
01:17:22,089 --> 01:17:19,880
yes I was wondering what your take is on

1522
01:17:24,669 --> 01:17:22,099
the Wilson leak and you know the core

1523
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:24,679
secrets documents that they're what

1524
01:17:29,950 --> 01:17:27,440
sorry the the Wilson leak that Admiral

1525
01:17:32,529 --> 01:17:29,960
Wilson I don't know if you've seen it

1526
01:17:36,879 --> 01:17:32,539
but a conversation between Eric Davis

1527
01:17:40,660 --> 01:17:36,889
and Admiral Wilson that we have you know

1528
01:17:42,910 --> 01:17:40,670
et technology oh yeah well yeah this is

1529
01:17:45,549 --> 01:17:42,920
sort of one of a number of stories where

1530
01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:45,559
people have come forward claiming to

1531
01:17:53,140 --> 01:17:48,710
have worked or still working on alien

1532
01:17:55,569 --> 01:17:53,150
technology no it sounds incredible but I

1533
01:17:59,529 --> 01:17:55,579
mean these people themselves are

1534
01:18:01,870 --> 01:17:59,539
credible you know and and when you look

1535
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:01,880
into it you know you've seen scenarios

1536
01:18:07,419 --> 01:18:06,170
where there's no real reason of any gain

1537
01:18:09,490 --> 01:18:07,429
from actually saying

1538
01:18:13,930 --> 01:18:09,500
I mean it's all it's like with the

1539
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:13,940
philip corso story cut who wrote the day

1540
01:18:20,530 --> 01:18:17,449
after Roswell in 1997 Colonel Corso was

1541
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:20,540
this guy elderly guy who claimed years

1542
01:18:25,870 --> 01:18:22,489
well actually decades before that he

1543
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:25,880
worked on technology found Roswell New

1544
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:31,250
Mexico in 1947 and there's a lot of

1545
01:18:34,270 --> 01:18:33,440
problems with the course our story to

1546
01:18:37,390 --> 01:18:34,280
say the least

1547
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:37,400
but what's intriguing is that why did he

1548
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:40,130
even feel the need to write the book at

1549
01:18:47,380 --> 01:18:44,330
83 and he died at 84 not really getting

1550
01:18:49,780 --> 01:18:47,390
anything out of it you know I mean as a

1551
01:18:52,990 --> 01:18:49,790
writer myself you know I can tell you

1552
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:53,000
for sure that if you write books on UFOs

1553
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:55,280
you know you're not gonna be living in

1554
01:19:00,430 --> 01:18:57,679
Hollywood Hills and driving a Ferrari

1555
01:19:03,550 --> 01:19:00,440
you know people think that but it's you

1556
01:19:07,149 --> 01:19:03,560
know it's not like that at all and so

1557
01:19:10,330 --> 01:19:07,159
for someone like Corso to say he worked

1558
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:10,340
on alien technology again he's like what

1559
01:19:15,340 --> 01:19:13,280
what where's the goal you know what's

1560
01:19:17,470 --> 01:19:15,350
the reason and I kind of apply that to

1561
01:19:20,410 --> 01:19:17,480
that story as well it's an interesting

1562
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:20,420
story some people say it's garbage but

1563
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:23,570
then it's like well why Cavin save a

1564
01:19:31,060 --> 01:19:27,679
story in the first place you know for

1565
01:19:35,530 --> 01:19:31,070
your speculation and opinion but do you

1566
01:19:37,959 --> 01:19:35,540
think that by coming out with what he

1567
01:19:41,950 --> 01:19:37,969
Bob Lazar came out with it he actually

1568
01:19:43,419 --> 01:19:41,960
saved his life oh yeah yeah yeah I mean

1569
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:43,429
that's a good question

1570
01:19:50,050 --> 01:19:47,330
did by by Lazar going public did that

1571
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:50,060
sort of save his life

1572
01:19:56,010 --> 01:19:54,050
there's mothers no doubt at all but when

1573
01:19:59,439 --> 01:19:56,020
Laura Lazar went public

1574
01:20:02,080 --> 01:19:59,449
he went public because he had fears and

1575
01:20:05,290 --> 01:20:02,090
concerns that something might happen to

1576
01:20:08,350 --> 01:20:05,300
him you know area 51 middle of nowhere

1577
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:08,360
flown out with aircraft with blacked-out

1578
01:20:11,589 --> 01:20:10,489
windows that's basically got him out

1579
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:11,599
there

1580
01:20:18,820 --> 01:20:15,409
worried something's gonna happen to you

1581
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:18,830
but maybe no no way back and so that's

1582
01:20:23,500 --> 01:20:21,650
why on the final day when he was

1583
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:23,510
supposed to go there he actually didn't

1584
01:20:28,450 --> 01:20:26,210
go because he was worried you know no

1585
01:20:31,149 --> 01:20:28,460
one would see him again and he also said

1586
01:20:33,580 --> 01:20:31,159
that on one occasion round about the

1587
01:20:36,370 --> 01:20:33,590
same time one of his tires was shut out

1588
01:20:39,550 --> 01:20:36,380
as well on his car and now whether that

1589
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:39,560
was deliberate or it was a sign to warn

1590
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:42,290
him you know I mean if you've got like a

1591
01:20:47,530 --> 01:20:44,810
well-trained assassin they're not gonna

1592
01:20:50,500 --> 01:20:47,540
miss so maybe they deliberately fired at

1593
01:20:53,740 --> 01:20:50,510
the tire not to kill him but just to

1594
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:53,750
warn him yeah and sometimes you know

1595
01:20:59,530 --> 01:20:57,170
warnings work really well just sort of

1596
01:21:04,240 --> 01:20:59,540
putting the seed of fear in the person's

1597
01:21:08,260 --> 01:21:04,250
mind so yeah I think I think whether it

1598
01:21:10,839 --> 01:21:08,270
was whether it was required or not I

1599
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:10,849
think he he did fail he was in deep

1600
01:21:14,859 --> 01:21:12,770
danger whether he was or not I don't

1601
01:21:17,859 --> 01:21:14,869
know but I think just a thought in his

1602
01:21:20,350 --> 01:21:17,869
mind made him think you know I need to

1603
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:20,360
go public otherwise something's gonna

1604
01:21:27,010 --> 01:21:24,170
happen so all right well thanks